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HuntNavy
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posted 11-21-2002 12:21 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for HuntNavyClick here to email HuntNavyEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
Greetings,
Need a little help from some people that I hope have more knowledge and experience than myself. I am looking to purchase a new firearm, in one of the above calibers. Where I need help is in getting information about which one would be best for a "novice" reloader and why, I am also interested in what the advantages/disadvantages to each round is with regard to whitetail/mule deer hunting. Would appriciate and help/advice that any one can share.

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[Edited 2 times. Last edit by HuntNavy on 11-21-2002 at 01:09 PM]

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H'Navy,

I do not think you will go wrong with the 308 winchester.
The advantages are:
-More load data.
-More(much)more bullet weights and designs.
-Inherent accuracy.
-Most efficient of the 3 in powder consumption.
-Will do anything the other 2 can...better.

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posted 11-21-2002 01:18 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for MC1911Click here to email MC1911Edit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
Ditto!!

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posted 11-21-2002 03:38 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for ZonechampClick here to email ZonechampEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
7mm-08 and 308 are the in the same class. Both are great for deer and such. The 25.06 is small but much faster. You can load it with 75 Vmax at 3600 ft/sec for up to 120gr at 3000 ft/sec. It is kinda the round that bridges the gap between varmint and big game hunting. IMHO a .308 is pointless as a varmint round. I have used my 25.06 on mules, whitetails, yottes and gophers and love it. As far a bullets, all three have more selection than you will ever use or try. All three pose no problems with reloading. I hunt in the wide open prairies and love my flat shooting 25.06. I only know 1 person still using 7-08 and the .308 is extinct out here.

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posted 11-22-2002 01:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for Coyote243Click here to email Coyote243Edit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
HuntNavy,
I do not own a 7mm-08, mainly because I have no use for one. I do however own a 25-06 and a 308 Win rifle. I really enjoy both for shooting just about anything. The best advantage I've seen in using the 25-06 is the fast bullet speed with a very flat trajectory (excellent on the yote's). I would say that the .308 Win. is also an excellent choice. As stated above you have a wide ranges of bullets to choose from and the inherent accuracy of this round is astounding. I don't think that you can go wrong with either caliber, but if you're after just one caliber for deer size game pick what works for where you hunt. For example, if your shooting in brushy country I would rather carry a .308, mainly to reduce the chances of a bullet defection. I think either caliber works great in open country. You just have to know your rifle and where your bullet hits at different ranges, different wind speed, etc. If I could have only one caliber it would be the .308 Win. (I'm a .30 cal. fan), but to each his own. Save your money and buy both of 'em. Good luck on your decision.

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posted 11-23-2002 09:06 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for YodaClick here to email YodaEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
I'm a Quarter bore fan, I hunt brush county and love my 25-06, do I need a round that shoots as flat and as fast and the 25-06 ?? No,.. I've killed whitetails with 308, 30-06, 7mm Mag, 270, 243, and have seen them killed with the 7mm-08.. In my opinon the 25 does it better and fast than the above mentioned cartridges when the animal is hit "Behind" the shoulder.. One thing I have found is you do need to run a "Premieum" bullet in it or it will shed it's jacket inside 100yds.. 25-06 all the way !!!
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posted 11-23-2002 03:41 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for ZonechampClick here to email ZonechampEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
I shoot 100gr Sierra SPBTin my 25.06 and have never used a premium bullet. I shot my whitetail at 60yds in the spine and it dropped right there. I shot a mule doe at 150yds in the neck and it dropped too. Who cares if the bullet came apart, because it sure didn't fail. Save the premium bullets for the critter with teeth, deer don't need em.

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posted 11-24-2002 11:32 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for GregClick here to email GregEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedVisit Greg's Homepage!Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by HuntNavy:
...SORRY PUT THIS IN THE WRONG AREA

No problem HuntNavy...

Moving to the Rifle Cartridges forum...

The Rifle Cartridges forum is for questions, answers, comments, and shared experiences in regard to specific rifle cartridges. Some pistol cartridge posts can be used here if the cartridge in question is chambered for a rifle as well. The same is true for some wildcat cartridges that have been commercialized. Some questions/comments relating to loads, powder, primers, and cases are acceptable. Members asking about particular cartridge, primer, powder, or bullet combinations are also acceptable. The topics may veer slightly but try to stick to the subject of the forum. After a topic has been idle for several months, depending upon the content of the thread, it will either remain in the current forum, get deleted, or get transferred to a more suitable forum or archive.

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posted 11-27-2002 04:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for ColbyClick here to email ColbyEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
I would have to go with the 308. There is absolutly nothing wrong with the other two choices either, but the 308 is sooooo easy to reload for. The 308 is nothing but an -06 in a small package. If you are in muley country you are also in elk country and I would rather have a 308 for that. But, your options were for deer so I don't think there is a lick of difference between the three, they are all GREAT choices for that. I too am a 30 cal fan. That's just my opinion, and that and .25 cents won't get you a cup of coffee most places.
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posted 11-28-2002 06:28 AM    Click Here to See the Profile for AR2213SCClick here to email AR2213SCEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
Out here in Australia (home of the world's largest living collection of poisonous, odd and just plain nasty animals ever gathered on one continent) the statistics will show there are maybe a few thousand 7mm-08s in the whole country, likewise a few thousand 25-06s and a few hundred thousand 308s.

We stick with what we know works. But no matter what you decide to buy, choose the right projectile and place it accurately in your target.

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posted 11-28-2002 01:33 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for bailey@skClick here to email bailey@skEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
I have to agree with the folks who recommended the .308. I have owned both 7mm/08s and .25/06s, and both are good rounds well suited for any sort of deer hunting.

Having said that, the .308 is a more practical choice. It is available in a much broader selection of factory loads. There is far more published reloading data and far more components available. There are more rifles chambered for the .308 in a greater variety of action types. Finally, it is a great but under-appreciated cartridge. Why? It is efficient, very accurate, easy on the shoulder, and deadly on game. What more do you need?

Comparing the .308 to the other two cartridges, there is little to choose from a hunting standpoint between the .308 and 7mm/08. Both are more flexible big-game cartridges than the .25/06, which in my view is optimal for shooting deer in open country but probably needs a 24" barrel to really perform to its full potential. Loaded with 120-grain bullets, it also kicks more than you might expect--about like a .270 with 130-grain bullets--and definitely has a loud bark.

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posted 12-04-2002 08:09 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for New NavyClick here to email New NavyEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
Hunt Navy - hmmmmm...... Interesting moniker.

I saw the post and couldn't resist the urge to comment. All of the comments posted to your question are right on the mark. Your choice of calibers from the three that you have listed are all good. Personally, I would go with another caliber, (.270), but it wasn't asked to be evaluated on.

If you're planning to hunt in PA. all three of the calibers commented on will do a fine job. I would opt for the .308 Winchester for a couple of reasons. First, it can be loaded up or down the scale of bullet weight requirements. That equates to 125 - 220 grains. Second, the .308 is a flat shooter and very accurate and dependable. And last, depending on the conditions that you'll want to use it in, (hilly, brushy, deep forest or wide open stretches), it will fill in quite well.

Being an old salt myself, every shotline I ever saw fired between ships came from a .308 Winchester modified to throw a weighted messenger line. If the Navy stands by it in daily use, you won't have any trouble with it either.

Best of luck and ask all of the questions you feel you need to ask in order to familiarize yourself with the handloading craft.

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I guess that I'm the odd ball here. I love the 7mm-08. The .308 and 25-06 are great and I have no complaints with either. I shot the .308 in a pre-64 mod. 70 Wincheaster in National Match competition for years. Of the three, the .308 might be better suited for larger game plus there many more bullets to choose from, but all three do a good job on deer. I hunt with a Rem. 700 BBL in 7mm-08 loaded with a CT 140 gr. Nosler over 46.7 grs. of RL 19 and a CCI benchrest primer. I get consistant groups of under 3/4" at 100 yards and have never had a deer walk away. This year I took a 6 pointer at 240yds in the mountains of West Va.
No matter which of these fine cartridges you choose, you'll be happy with the results.
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posted 12-31-2002 05:23 PM    Click Here to See the Profile for missouri10xEdit/Delete MessageSearch the Rifle Cartridges forumIP LoggedReply w/Quote
Go with the 308 win it's the one for you,trust me..after all how many 25/06's do you see in 500 meter shoots or 1000 meter shoots???its mostly 308's hmmmmm i wonder why??
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When I first saw this post one thing came to mind what about the .270 Win. and the .30-06 Sprfld.? Of the above mentioned rounds I'd say go with the .308 Win. I like the 7mm-08 alot, but the .308 is a more versatile round.
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I think any one of the 3 calibers mentioned (.308, 7mm08, or 25-06) would work great for you. They are obviously different calibers but you also have short action vs long action which will make your gun selection different. Decide what kind of action you want and that will narrow your selection. I think the shorter cartridges are a little easier to load and also use less powder. If I were picking one of those 2 I'd go with .308. Decisions decisions!

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HuntNavy,

Either the 7-08 or the 308 would be great for your purpose. The 25-06 is fast and flat shooting, but won't handle bullets heavier than 120gr, and doesn't have the versatility of the other two. My recommendation would be for the 7-08. The 308 will work fine, but the 7-08 has slightly better downrange ballistics. With 139-140gr bullets, you'll have what I consider an ideal tool for medium thin skinned game. With 120gr Ballistic Tips, it makes an ideal pronghorn rifle. With 110gr Speer MHP's, it's a great coyote rifle. Although I think it's on the light side for anything bigger than cow elk, it can also be loaded with 160gr Partitions.

I used a 7mm Rem Mag for over 20 years, and it is a great cartridge, but downsized to a 7-08 in 1991. The first buck I took with it field dressed over 300 pounds. He dropped in his tracks with a 140gr factory CoreLokt. I bought my dad this cartridge in a Model 7, and he absolutely loves his little rifle. It will solidly anchor the largest deer on the planet, it's easy on the shoulder, and easy to reload.

I liked it so much, I built a custom 7-08Ackley Improved.

Just my $.02, and worth almost every penny of it.

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My Vote goes too the 308 Win, excellent load for all game in lower 48, and most here in Alaska, with 150/165 grain loads it is real close to the 30-06, within 275 yards game can be cleanly taken, and a excellent target round, so alot of experts avail. for reloading this round for hunting or target work. I have a 308 Win. and is one of my favorite cal. to reload with RL 15 powder and Nosler Bullets.

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All the cartridges are suitable. It's really a matter of which one makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. But if it were up to me I would choose the 7/08. Since you mentioned handloading, there are as many 7mm bullet otions as .308 these days. Due the factof smaller bullets it will work a little better as a varminter and less recoil overall. You can't hardly beat the .284 bore. I handload for a friend with a 7/08 and its within a hair of a .280 Remington performance wise. In my opinion, the 25/06 is like a chihuahua, a whole lot of noise for not much action. I had one for awhile and sold it, just didn't impress me much. If your going to burn 58 or so grains of powder go ahead and buy a .270 or 30/06. Much more bang for the buck.

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