I specifically mentioned anyone interested to find a good grappling/close quarters coach (such as yourself? you teach?)because I am not a qualified expert. Lol.

My basic theory, is that i like to do many different things. They are hobbies, but I will study them intensely for extended periods of time before I move on. Some I enjoy more than others, and keep coming back to them, or keep them up full time (reloading!) With anything, I assume I know nothing, and try to read as much as possible, gathering basic concepts and terminology. I have decent retention, this helps. I try to grasp the basic concepts enough to discern which authors/mentors are full of (censored!) and which seem to be quiet and authoritative, trying to get enough "down" to allow me to pick further more advanced texts/mentors with more precision. From this point on, practicing and trying makes more sense, less trial-and-error futility. I dont want to work harder, i want to work smarter. Then, if i spend hours at it, I am getting more out of it in a shorter time. I worship efficiency.

Whether its reloading or grappling or what-have-you, I realize I am never going to shoot a one-hole group and win the super shoot, nor am i ever going to sweep a grappling tourny on pay-per-view (f-a-r from it...lol...) My aim at things like this is just to cover the basics, have a working knowledge, and pick up anything I can on the subject from any source possible (for reloading, this place is in-VAL-uable)

I think the most important thing if you have to fight, is simply to have a plan. And a very basic one. A simple plan you cant forget, sheer muscle memory. And everything you slowly add to your "bag of tricks" should support this plan. I can remember being a very young man, taking self defense courses, then forgetting absolutely everything once someone threw a punch at me. I was trying to do a rough overview of different things, most of which I didnt have any real aptitude for. I had to face the fact that I cant trade punches with someone bigger than me. Once you get over what it is you CANT do, and focus on what you CAN do or MAY be better suited for, the battle is half won. Grappling, with its inherent "dirty tricks" suits me far better. Also, I am a big fan of improvised weapons "weapons of opportunity" for you lawyer types...you would be amazed how big of a guy will squeal like a pig and run if you suddenly stick a sharpened #2 pencil 4 inches into his shoulder and break it off so he cant pull it out...lmao. Fair? I dont know what that is. I want surprise, and I want every possible advantage i can quietly have.

Anything i study and do, like reloading and shooting, or grappling for fun, I always seek to do it with people far better than I am at it. People that are so much better, they dont feel challenged, and so freely give you pointers when you quietly demonstrate proper basic terminology and aptitude. I never wanna have the biggest d!ck in the room, I just want to kinda be the "mascot" hanging around quietly, trying to get better.

No matter what it is, it is a game to me. Fighting, chess, group shooting, reloading, doesnt matter. If I have one philosophy for everything, it is this. To football players, everything is offense and defense. To me, everything is chess.

I was frustrated, trying to get better. Finally, I quit playing to win, and just kept trying to make the computer/person opponent take as many moves as possible to beat me. When I get winning or being the best out of the way, yet still keep working and studying and practicing, somewhere along the line you start to win by default. Or at the very least, youre a good, hard, "war of attrition" competitor. Also, nearly anything from chess, to shooting, to fighting, there is usually some simple, easily kept plan, that will not make you the best-in-the-world, but will serve well to make you more than decent at it.

If I cant do one thing best, I will try to do nearly everything that ever even remotely interestd me "better than average". Like a renaissance thing. With this mindset, a few of the things you are "playing" with, you will get pretty good at and you will feel pretty good about yourself. I value this broad, general "feeling good about myself" by doing many things "pretty good" much more than i value how much my car or my house costs, or how much money per week i make.

The end result with self defence? I dont think I would last very long against a jiujitsu instructor...he would pass my guard to the side and knee my ribs into my lungs. But I dont think I am ever going to be confronted in WallyWprld parking lot at 4am by a jiujitsu master, demanding my wallet and my car keys. More likely to be the garden variety young addict-thief kind of kid? I think the odds of this kind of assialant being a well trained boxer or state-class high school wrestler to be rather slim. I think I might have better than even odds to flick my cigarette suddenly in his face and get either a mount or a decent guard/half guard on quickly. He'll be trying to punch me, and i will be trying to choke him or lock him. In chess, they come down on the left, you go up the right. They defend well? Attack with everything you have. They attack quickly and well? Go piece for piece to nullify their position advantage, and go for a staunch defense. There's always some basic strategy "thing" with any form of game or competition, if you can find it, where the opponent is doing the ONE thing, and you should be doing the OTHER thing. Formal Logic.

"And some dork that hasn't read the book nor seen the videos beats their head in with a coal shovel"
LMAO. Yes. Myself, I am more partial to those heavy glass ashtrays, they make a fine noodle knocker. Perhaps I am personally responsible for the newer tinfoil ones. Man, those things are useless. lmso.

"Whether its self defense, gun play, sword play or juggling three bowling balls, it must be practiced daily until it becomes a reactive action rather than a thought out process. "
Quite so. Make no mistake, I am under no illusions of grandeur. I started this "phase" of the post when someone or other espoused the values of bringing a knife to a gunfight as a positive thing. I suppose it can be, but I wanted to show a tad of what time and prepraration would go into making that a resonable and viable option. I dont THINK anyone here would see tombstone and decide to put their gun in the safe in favor of a toadstabber, but you never know. We're all shooters here, of one degree or another, and should probably stick to that.

My little brother is a black belt and a lot of my friends were wrestlers. I was the one who toughened up my little brother when he came home from practice and wanted someone to "try his moves" out on. My lil bro was in gradeschool, complaining about older bigger kids, yada yada yada, you know the drill. I drove my mom downtown and we watched young kids in town, until I found an "abuse unit" getting picked on. We watched, and it went on for quite some time. I swear, it looked like the little b@stards were calling their friends on cell phones so they coud come down to smack him around too. I dont know why he didnt just go home. My mom was horrified. I explained I didnt want my little brother to go thru that. She okayed the whole karate and me wrestling around with him if he wanted to (he did). I was back at home to get another college degree at the time, and it was like a fun thing to do to unwind inbetwen 400 page tech ref manuals.

I aint no kind of tough guy, I dont have that young guy "tough guy" effect anymore, but god help me...i get tired of older people taking sh!t from younger and younger skinny little 13y/o kids at the mall up by the city, or at wally world at 3am. A 60 year old retired mill worker should nt have to put up with that crap from 13 year olds at that time of the night. Where are the parents of these little monsters?

every once in a great while, me and my girl are coming out of the mall and theres a little pack of those skinny "wanna be" gangsters, sometimes they act tough and sometimes start hinting around they want money. I usually laugh heartily and march to the car with my girl in tow. People act like they are "made" gangsters or something, I see 90lb 13 year olds making fake made-up gang signs. I dont care if there are a half dozen of them. I winked at my girl last year and told this one who wanted money for, get this, "making sure nothing happened to our nice car" (my girl had just bought a new ride) that i was going to "hoove his a$$ up between his shoulder blades for him". His little friends seemed suitably impressed when he started this autistic sign language sh!t. My girls tight, we're both packing, but neither one of us really wants to shoot a 13 y/o kid, even if he is a little PITA. I'm getting nervous cauise if one of them comes out with a screwdriver or something, this could get ugly. Thats when i winked at her to let her know i thought it was okay, and grabbed the little dink and smacked him on the ear with a cupped hand so hard i know his ears were ringing. His and his little friends scattered ike mice. I seem to recall getting a decent hummer that nite off the old lady, and i made jokes like "yeah, I still got it...", and we're BOTH laughing because I got my little paunch of middle age started, my hair is starting to recede, I smoke cigs by the pack, and drink coffee by the gallon, I now think walking ten miles is a tortuous workout session whereas when i was in my early twenties I jogged ten miles without getting winded, and I have to dust off the weight bench these days when i notice it....lmao.

I dunno. Back when I was that kids age, If I had asked for strong-arm money off of an older guy in his mid thirties with work boots on, I would have expected to get smacked silly. That sort of behavior wasn't even on the menu for us as kids. If I hadnt been a hard a$$ when I was younger, another year or two go by, and that kid will scare someone carrying a gun and get shot. If once in a while a guy with work boots on smacked one of these little PITA kids, older peope wouldnt get their purses stolen nearly as much.

Man, am I slowing down as I approach 40. Lmao. Never thought it would happen to me. I guess you cant beat the calendar, in the long run. Was what I did stupid? Sure was. Would I do it again? For the next few years, probably. More of us should.

This wasn't right, and was leading to class warfare. The best they could come up with to give poorer people access to lawyers was to put lawyers on a contingency basis. The idea was that a decent lawyer who thought you were actually grievously wronged would take your case even though you had no money, because he thought he could win and get a settlement. On paper, this looked like a good idea. In real life...

It turned immediately into "theres no charge until we get money for YOU" advertisements, and the rest is history. Naturally the system gets abused. Go figure.

If you remove this, and other such devices, we go back to the system where only rich peoples kids go to college, because it is expensive, and those kids get the high paying jobs, and send their kids to college...and so on, and you end up with a clas of rich powerful elite that can walk all over the common people (nobility...it did not die in the middle ages...lmao) The sytem whre ony rich people can sue and they know it and so they can do whatever they want and laugh. You would think there could be some middle ground.

They have proposed diferent mediation systems, basically a body that analyzes pending lawsuits to remove the patently absurd lawsuits that could potentially pay out millions for nothing (hot coffee on lap at McD's...pay her millions for it...lol) but the sad truth is that then the peope with influence would have access to the people on the panel and then only influential people could get to sue, and your back to square one. lmao.

If you come up with a better mouse trap, I am sure the legal system will beat a path to your door.

Now we have a system that rewards people more, for being less smart, less work, less ability, etc.

When we have unions, you have guys pushing a broom with no high school degree making 25 dollars an hour in some cases. You can come to work drunk and cant get fired sometimes. It happens here and there. Back when there were no unions, you worked for less than minimum wage, 99 hours a week, and if you got your arm ripped off and had to go to the hospital to get it sewed back on, you got fired for missing work. LMAO. Surely there is some middle ground to be found in all these systems, but no one has one yet.

I cant fault the lawyers themselves. They have a job to do, and a lot of them do it well. They are advocates. It is their job to do all they can for their client. If they DONT do something they could have to get them more money, they will themselves get sued and lose their liscense. A lawyer doesnt care if his client is a rich guy who hires him, a poor person because he is working for the HUD apartment people, or a cat. He will do all he can do. Its his job description. I am sure ome of them feel like they are tools of the rich, helping the powerful elite abuse the system. Some of them probably feel badly for getting a crack dealer his free aprtment back, but its his job.

Try not to be too bitter about the system. Whatever system you put into place, it seems to be human nature to abuse it.

The best revenge, I think, is if more people do what I do: work enough to get by, to buy what toys/necessities you need, and screw the rest. Money is really just pieces of paper, and if you have enough pieces of paper you can get that cool new gun you want or piece of reloading equipment. Its just a game, try not to take it too seriously. Dont sweat the small stuf...and its ALL small stuff. When you were playing monopoly when you were younger, if you didnt have boardwalk and parkplace by move 10 did you upend the board and leave the game? Hopefully not.

If doctors are cold, and clinical, and those that are able to do it are well paid...well, I know you couldnt pay me enough money to oversee a 700lb lady coming in, and directing peope to get special spoons out to scrape the cheese from between massive rolls of fat and to cure the (stinky...) infections that result from being so fat you cant walk much less bathe on a weekly basis. No way. he is paid to be cold and clinical and not to care. He is a professional.

Are you a mechanic? It is your job to take ANY car that comes in, whether you are being paid by insurance money or in cash, to diagnosis whatever might be wrong and to fix it. Nothing more. The fact that the guy is gonna go RIGHT back out and do the same stuff all over again is of no concern.

Me, I deliver stuff to businesses and people. I get pieces of paper I collect, and whe I have enough left over I buy a gun or a cool piece of reloading equipment. If I worked more, I could have more paper but not enough time to play with my toys I could afford. I just shake my head at the system and go on.

Unfortunately, the system apparently involves miscreants periodically surrounding the vehicle in the parking lot and demanding money, LMAO. I think all of us here know the real answer is actually fairly cheap, lol, but that would violate the rules of the game. I have no wish to put Robespierre in charge of things again. We tried that once, it seemed like a good idea at first, but it was utter chaos. LMAO

I didn't think I would ever have to fight again, and still hope every day I don't. You know when I was 16 I would go any where fight anyone" and I took some beatings let me tell ya" after I really learned how I never had to . Avoiding a prob. is the key to winning. But not getting pushed around is the key to staying on top.

I got to old for the kickboxing thing and went to the take down specialist of the brazilian masters. They are the top of the food chain at that kinda game. The only way to beat a striker is take him to the ground and the only way to beat a grappler is stand him up and jab him to death..I love open class...lol..My sparring partner is an ex-seal team capt. Retired. But for a 55 year old, no I aint gonna rob him either for anyone he can hold his on . I come home hurt alot taking some hip throws and getting choked out. Pretty hard core guy.

After breaking about every bone, next to the neck that is, in my body I needed something I can grow old into. And Karate is a young mans game. However youth is a good tool. But it is just another one of the many. The well trained mind thinks faster than a young mans reflexes of course.

Now I carry a .40 cal Glock. ....LOL...And do well with a crappy gun but if I ever have to ditch it I aint out much..

I do alot of practical and tactical blade training. Uh rubber blade that is....lol...I am in the 9 out of ten club..Meaning I can disarm my apponent 9 times before he cuts my @ss off the 10th...and hands it to me...

Better than average is pretty good because the average guy isn't gonna try to stick you in walley world. He might get you alone and shoot you point blank...LOL....No that would be nut case to do that ,so yeah average is good but better than average is damn good.

Always the focused mind is the most dangerous weapon.

You know I love teaching women and kids more than adults{men}.
You put a man in a room of wieghts with no trainer, 10 minutes he is toast dead tired.. Women are the opposite they listen and think they can't do anything.as for kids also. A man in a room of heavy bags same thing 10 he is toast, punch himself out given enough time. A women will never tire herself completely.{ she might need to fix her hair after class} No they are conservative and save it till the end. Dunno why .

One for the ages I guess.

Rob

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HEAD SHOTS DON'T LEAVE BLOOD TRAILS !

Then there was the other end of the spectrum, we were all fooling around wrestling one summer behind the one guys friend's barn, and someone's friend asked if some young girl his girlfriend knew could come over, she liked to fight too. We were like "yeah...okay..." lol...it was a setup. LMAO. This tiny thing would get her fingers laced behind my buddys head and work him, and I mean, WORK him with her knees. She lumped him pretty good. We wanted to laugh, but it wasnt funny. He finally got mad and started fighting back, but it took him forever to get a hold of her and make her quit...he got pretty lumped up for a while, and he was a lot bigger. She at first acted all girly and stuff, and my buddy was like "ok...i dont wanna hurt you..." but by the time she had suckered him in and dropped the act and kneed him in the balls (and I mean like a pro...lol...i swear she lifted him in the air with her knee going into his nuts...lmao), she had him and pretty well worked him over before he got his wind back. If she pulled that cutesey/scared act on a robber, she could probably kill a young kid like that.

Thai Bo...........LOL

Yeah Billy Blanks was the guy who started that jazz. Now it is Cardio Kickboxing....

Funny thing is an actual Kickboxing class is all you need ,,

Man he made some bucks on that fad...

I trained with a Guy Named HollyWood Megat in SC. He trained Hectar Comacho until he turned pro..Just straight Boxing. Had several Fights. All amature. But anyway he was talking about a womens fitness boxing class before this Thai Bo ever come to pass... He said it would never take off. he is still crying every Friday on the way to the Bank....lol

Hey My E-mail is mortarforker2001@yahoo.com would like to chat some more on other things. Always looking for new Ideas.

Besides I don't think these guys are diggin this jazz.

Oh yeah 7mm -08 needs to stop at white tails.....lol

sedstar@comcast.net

"I would say something stupid and get my @ss kicked I know I would."
Well, youre not supposed to go around belittling people and trying to make them cry, but even then I doubt she would attack you. You would probably have to push her physically around and try to slap her or something. We would gather behind that barn and wrestle until one or the other tapped to quit, wrestling dirty, not to rules. We thought it was "cute" a girl wanted to try. We figured she liked one of the guys, or was just a tomboy that played soccer or something.

"I would run away with tears in my eyes and wouldent stop crying till I found my mom."
For what its worth, the guy she whomped on had legs like tree trunks, and was a rather accomplished high school wrestler, and he was informally into some kind of martial arts for quite some time. He wasnt in a school per se, nor did he officially compete, but the guy teaching him was a vietnam vet, special forces or something...and it was probably HIM that sent the girl there.

She wasnt big at all, she was rather small, and that was part of the whole misdirection. She acted like some little cutesy tomboy "boop-boop" that liked to wrestle with the boys. When she had him suckered in, she opened up on him, set him up perfectly. She wasnt big, she wasnt muscular or strong...what she WAS was flexible, and quick, and most importantly sly. He later recalled she seemed to have a deceptively strong grip. Once she acted like she couldn't defend herself, and he was just going along with it, trying not to hurt her, she laced her finger together behind his head/neck, and he couldn't get her off. She sent lightning quick knees into his thighs and lower stomach (and finally got a monster of a shot off into his personal area that lifted him up on his tip toes...lol)

When he tried getting her hands from around the back of his head, she kneed his lower areas. When he lowered his hands to try to protect his lowers, she got the knees up HIGH, up and over his hands and into his upper ribs, threatening to pull his head down into one of these killer knees...His hands went up to protect his upper, she went downstairs with the knees again, and so on, really working him. He EVENTUALLY got a hold of one of her knees, and that stopped that, but then he was trying to hold onto a "wiggling skinny snake" as he later put it, and he didnt dare let go of the knee, or it would start over again. He eventually got her off her feet, and got her in a headlock, and I KNOW how well and hard he can put a headlock on, thats how he got her to quit, bue she had definitely had hurt his pride, and a bit of his body as well. She damned near winded him and was close to probably knocking him out or making his quit first.

She wasn't out waiting for someone to make fun of her and then kill them, lol. She had obviously worked at whatever-the-hell it was she "did" for quite some time and was good at it. I think his coach was having a bit of fun with him, sending her to fight with us boys. We didnt know her. Most of us were there because we had heard we could wrestle dirty, and learn how to choke and do cool leg and arm locks for fun, w/o anyone getting seriously hurt. A few of the guys would box with gloves on or kick and punch with pads. I think it was mostly high school wrestlers in the offseason having fun, staying in shape, or guys like me that were friends with one of them.

Man, but I hope one day some drunken dirtball thinks he's gonna snatch the cute girl coming out of the bar and rape her or whatnot...because he's in for a very rude awakening!! I dont think a drunken fool like that would last ten seconds with her.

My God, anyone who thinks a 7-08 or a 7x57 isn't enough gun for an elk has been reading to many Peterson Magazines.
I hate to tell you this; I hunted all over the world during my military career and during those days of my life my heavy was a 7x57 and my regular rifle was a 250 Savage. A few years ago my wife who has been hunting with a 250 Savage since we were in high school togeather, finally got a moose permit here in Maine. She went out and bought herself a moose gun. Guess what it was? Ya, a 7-08 and Golly Gee she got a nice bull at about 150-175 yards. That was done with a plain old Remington 140 grain Cor-Lok from Wal-Marts (I didn't have dies for it yet).After the hit it ran about 40 yards and went down. One more behind the ear when she got to it ended any question about it ever getting up again. Now I will tell you a moose is alot harder to knock down & out than an elk. At least thats been my experiance. We have a lot of guns; every thing from 22's up to 45-70's and a 8mm Mag. Its the only mag we own. Its used for "long range" shooting in our clear cuts for deer. She choose to buy a 7-08 for her moose hunt. Her and I have hunted togeather in several country's and about 12 states, so she isn't any Johnny Come lately. We hunted togeather in high school and we've been married over 46 years. So I don't want to hear this crap that she was lucky. She can shoot.
I've shot moose with a 30-06, 45-70, 50 cal. muzzel loader (cap gun) and my itty bitty 41 Ruger revolver. I'am sure we could do like wise on any elk walking around out west today. I'am sure they haven't gotten tougher in the 25 years since I last hunted out there. I almost forgot - I have another moose hunt this year and I will again be using the old long barrled Marlin 45-70. I load 350 Speers in it with a charge of old fashion 3031.

Those were the days, way back when 30 30 was enough gun for whatever came along. Nowadays the 30 30 is considered too anemic for even a small deer.at anything over about 50 yards. What I want to know is WHO IS PROCUCING THE ARMORPLATE FOR ALL THE BIG GAME? Ordinary bullets just bounce off?

My 250's have generated a few stories that are told around the camp fires in McKeen County. As the deer in PA generally run small (getting bigger each year since the does got knocked down)I always considered the 250 an ideal gun for there. I am at a loss that I don't see lots of 260 Remingtons down there. Seems like it would be The Gun for PA by todays standards. Oh ya, I shot my share of deer when I was growing up with a 30-30 and a 38-55. My dad was a professional guide and only owned two rifles. A 22 for the trap line and a 30-30 for bigger critters which included deer, bear and the occasional moose. His was an older Winchester long rifle with an octogon barrel that served him well until he died in 1961. We ate a lot of partridge that had their heads shot off with that old rifle.

I have tried for years to come up with a suitable handloaded replacement for the factory loaded Silvertips, to no avail. Another problem is that the chamber is so sloppy, brass often starts showing signs of incipient head separation after the first shot. Out of frustration with that, I started looking for another cartridge with similar properties that I could move her to. I suppose I could just rebarrel her Savage with a faster twist...

250 Savage is the cartridge I intended to emulate with the 264 RLB, and as soon as Sam finishes #7, I'm going to try to get her to use it.

Your daughter sounds like a wise woman. Leave her alone to enjoy her 250 and be happy that she enjoys shooting, as that way you have companionship if not the rifle.

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Dukntz.. Gee.. ..ya come on and ask a simple question and look what you started!! It's all your fault!! But really.. thanks for the post.. It made for A LOT of reading.. Bet poor ole Greg is worn out by now!! Ooops.. Forgot.. Take the 7MM-08 and good luck to ya!! If your successful, post the pics.. Keep us posted..

Frank Up North..