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Every advantage has a disadvantage!

I SEEM to recall SOMEone on here was once, a couple years ago... talkng about loading something medium-size 30-caliber to subsonic or near subsonic velocities, and it MIGHT have been 7.63x39.

His basic approach was VERY unorthodox, in my opinion, but he swore by it:

he was loading very heavy for caliber pills, maybe even cast, and putting them in the case BACKwards (yes, you read that right... putting the pill backwards in the case...)

he said he was "doing a real number" on coyotes stealing chickens late at night at close range and such. I dont recall he was cycling the action or not, but this basic approach would probably work on single shot loading.

as i recall, I had like one or two stars at the time that werent blinking, and he had like all stars blinking, LMAO, so i wasnt saying a word like "you cant DO that...", 'cos he was no newbie, and i was.

it was a fairly light load. He said at close range thay flew better than one would think, as a bullet gets unstable when they slow DOWN at the end of flight to subsonic, hit/make turbulence, and tumble... but that projectiles get a bit of tumble out the muzzle as they GET to supersonic speed too, and that a pill starting out at subsonic speeds, never has to endure these bad periods (though the round was naturally a close-in proposition, he said the heavy Butt-first backwards loaded pill approach worked very well, and hit hard at close range with a heavy pill going moderate speed, that big blunt end striking first.

anyone wanna clean up my memory on this??? I KNOW i got the "general gist" of it recalled.

when you really think about it, and you plan to use a chrony and work DOWN in speed 'till youit SUBsonic, it all makes a bit of sense. The extremely heavy pill one would at first blush THINK would no way stabilize at such a slow speed in a weight/twict gross mismatch, but he said when starting out subsonic, the rules were slightly different, and the butt-first pill loading helped tremendously, and grouped better than you would think.

PB from 4.3gr (765fps) to 4.5gr (795fps) (they show 4.8gr (835fps) as max, but also a high possibilty of exceeding pressure at that level)

IMR 4756 from 5.7gr (800fps) to 6.0gr (830fps) (they show 6.4gr (870fps) as max, but also a high possibilty of exceeding pressure at that level)

IMR 7625 from 4.6gr (770fps) to 4.9gr (810fps) (they show 5.1gr (835fps) as max, but also a high possibilty of exceeding pressure at that level)

IMR 800-X from 5.7gr (810fps) to 6.1gr (850fps) (they show 6.3gr (875fps) as max, but also a high possibilty of exceeding pressure at that level)

H-4227 from 7.9gr (900fps) to 8.1gr (915fps) (they show 8.7gr (965fps) as max, but also a high possibilty of exceeding pressure at that level)

With a 220 MK, the choices get a little narrower

PB from 3.7gr (675fps) to 3.8gr (690fps) (they show 4.1gr (725fps) as max, but also a high possibilty of exceeding pressure at that level)

IMR 4227 from 15.1gr (1160fps) to 16.4gr (1220fps) (they show 16.8gr (1235fps) as max, but also a high possibilty of exceeding pressure at that level)

147-220gr FMJBT loaded backwards
6.1gr of Red Dot
7.62x39 brass w/ primer hole drilled to 9/64th's
CCI large rifle primers
1020 fps
good to 200-250 yards